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		<title>An Interview with Dr. Derek Cooper about Thomas Manton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Hyde</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Derek Cooper is Visiting Professor of Theology, Church History, and New Testament at Biblical Seminary (Hatfield, PA) as well as the Director of Pastoral Care and Adult Education at Immanuel Church of the Nazarene (Lansdale, PA). He has the distinct honor of writing the only PhD thesis on the seventeenth-century Puritan, Thomas Manton, and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><a href="http://www.meetthepuritans.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/derekCooper.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-927" title="Derek Cooper" src="http://www.meetthepuritans.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/derekCooper.jpg" alt="" width="210" height="280" /></a><a href="http://www.biblical.edu/index.php/derek-cooper" target="_blank">Dr. Derek Cooper</a></em><em> is Visiting Professor of Theology, Church History, and New Testament at Biblical Seminary (Hatfield, PA) as well as the Director of Pastoral Care and Adult Education at Immanuel Church of the Nazarene (Lansdale, PA). He has the distinct honor of writing the only PhD thesis on the seventeenth-century Puritan, Thomas Manton, and will have the only book on Manton coming out at the end of 2011 entitled, Thomas Manton: A Guided Tour of the Life and Thought of a Puritan Pastor (P&amp;R).<br />
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<p><strong>First of all, tell us about yourself.</strong><br />
I am a native Texan who has managed to find himself living in suburban Philadelphia for the past decade! I have been married for almost ten years, and I have three young children. I teach biblical studies and historical theology at Biblical Seminary in suburban Philadelphia. Most recently, I have been working part-time as a pastor at a local church.</p>
<p>In any spare time I have, I enjoy writing. I wrote my first book to help those who are thinking about going to seminary or who have just started. It’s called So You’re Thinking about Going to Seminary (Brazos Press). My other writings focus on church history and biblical interpretation.</p>
<p><strong>I&#8217;d like to ask you from the get-go, why is Thomas Manton worthy of our readers&#8217; attention and investment of time and money?</strong><br />
I’ve always found the writings of the Puritans to be deeply rewarding as a Christian. Once you get past their sometimes dense prose, you meet people who are godly, intelligent, personable, and entertaining to read. Thomas Manton is no exception. He was a fantastic preacher and writer, and his images and analogies are as lively today as they were several centuries ago.</p>
<p>What’s more, Manton was actually a very prominent figure within his context. He was actively involved in one of the most significant and intriguing times in all of English history (1640s-1660s), and was friendly with the most well-connected and well-to-do people in all of England.</p>
<p><strong>So how did you come to be interested in Thomas Manton?</strong><br />
I was working on my PhD a few years ago, and was hoping to write my dissertation on an English pietist or puritan who wrote biblical commentaries on the New Testament. After reading the works of several authors, I came across Thomas Manton. I really appreciated his writing, his use of the biblical text, his familiarity with previous commentators, and his importance within his time period.</p>
<p><strong>Can you give us <em>The Idiots&#8217; Guide</em> to the 17th-century context in which Manton ministered?</strong><br />
Thomas Manton lived during an extraordinary time in English history. Manton was just getting started with his career in the midst of the amazing events in the 1640s, 50s, and 60s. Here’s a brief snap shot: England was in the midst of a civil war, which carried on for several years—and which forced Manton to eventually relocate to London. Eventually an army formed (the New Model Army) that physically removed about 200 members of Parliament, the culmination of which was the arrest and condemnation of the king. King Charles I was beheaded in 1649! Then Oliver Cromwell, before whom Manton served as one of many chaplains, took control of the state for almost a decade. After Cromwell died, Manton himself traveled to Holland with others to negotiate with Charles I’s son, Charles II—who had been in hiding—to return to England. After he did so in 1660, a spate of legislative acts was passed by the new Parliament to remove those who had been opposed to the monarchy. Although Manton and many other presbyterians were in favor of the monarchy, they were opposed to new laws that required pastors to be (re-) ordained by a bishop, to abide completely by the Book of Common Prayer, and to agree fully with the Thirty-Nine Articles of Religion. In all, about 25% of ordained clergy in the Church of England (including Manton) were ejected from their positions in 1662 for refusing to sign on to the new legislation. Manton lived in the midst of these (tumultuous) economic, political, and religious times.</p>
<p><strong>On that note, what sort of relationship did Manton have with John Owen?</strong><br />
Owen and Manton knew each other well, but my interpretation of the data leads me to believe that they may not have been the best of friends. They had disagreements about the nature of the church, which could be very intense at times. In short, Manton was a presbyterian who wanted the church to be affiliated with the English state, while Owen was an independent who wanted the church to be separate from the English state.</p>
<p>After the Restoration of the monarchy in 1660, the English Parliament made laws that prohibited pastors like Manton from preaching. Manton spent the last years of his life working very hard to reunite with the English church, while Owen did not want to see this happen. This was the reason for their disagreements.</p>
<p><strong>Who were Manton&#8217;s models and mentors? In other words, how did he become who he was, humanly speaking?</strong><br />
That’s difficult to know for sure. The politician Alexander Popham was Manton’s patron (as well as the patron of Manton’s more famous contemporary John Locke), and Manton would have presumably been influenced by his tutor at Wadham College, Oxford, and perhaps one or more of his professors. It’s also likely that the well-known clergyman Edmund Calamy as well as Rev. Obadiah Sedgwick, whom Manton succeeded as rector of St. Paul’s, Covent Garden, in the 1650s, would have served as models or mentors. Manton also worked closely with Richard Baxter in the latter part of his life, who was several years older than Manton.</p>
<p><strong>What are some of Manton&#8217;s most important works?</strong><br />
All of Manton’s works are essentially sermons that he preached over his career. These works are available in a 22-volume collection, many of which are available online. It’s generally agreed that Manton’s commentary on James is one of his best writings. He also wrote partial commentaries on other books of the Bible.</p>
<p><strong>Is there a work of his that is overlooked but should not be?</strong><br />
Many of his writings are hidden gems that few people bring to light. I really enjoy a series of ten sermons he preached on one very small passage: “And Isaac went out to meditate in the field in the evening” (Genesis 24:63)! The sermon series is about Christian meditation, which I found to be very helpful as I was reading through it.</p>
<p><strong>Tell us about some of the key features of his theology?</strong><br />
Manton was a typical puritan pastor and theologian, which meant that he emphasized Christ, godliness, practical living, prayer, and biblical study. He was less interested in abstract theology, and more concerned about people being transformed by the gospel of Christ. In his sermons, as was the custom, he divides his interpretation of the biblical text into doctrinal and application-oriented sections.</p>
<p><strong>More practically, what were Manton&#8217;s daily disciplines?</strong><br />
On a daily basis Manton would have prayed extensively and completed Bible study alone, as well as prayed and done devotions with his family.</p>
<p><strong>What can we learn from his daily spiritual disciplines?</strong><br />
The time period in which we live is much faster than the world in which Thomas Manton lived. This lifestyle leads us to the false notion that we do not have time—nor the patience, as we are not accustomed to slowing down—to let God take care of the hustle and bustle of life long enough for us to sit quietly before God in prayer and study. This is one of the many things we can learn from puritans like Manton.</p>
<p><strong>Tell us why you think there hasn&#8217;t been a full biography of Manton published in the past?</strong><br />
Thomas Manton is just one of many great puritan authors whose life stories have been overlooked. William Harris wrote a short biography of Manton’s life to serve as a preface to the publication of Manton’s works about 150 years ago, but no one has written much more about Manton since then. For the most part, people have focused their attention on more well-known puritans like John Bunyan, John Owen, and Richard Baxter.</p>
<p><strong>Is there any listing of Manton&#8217;s auction library?</strong><br />
Certainly! I have a copy of the auction of Manton’s complete library. Unfortunately, due to all the religious and political turmoil going on during the end of Manton’s lifetime, he died without any money. So, in order to provide for his wife and children, his entire library was auctioned off immediately after his death. He had an extensive library, which would have been quite valuable. Of the hundreds of books he owned, many consisted of biblical commentaries, English divinity, pamphlets, classical Greek and Latin texts, and works of theology.</p>
<p><strong>Has the recent reprinting of Manton&#8217;s works escaped the problems inherent in 19th century &#8220;over-editing&#8221; of Puritan works?</strong><br />
When reading through Manton’s sermons, the work of editors—for good or ill—is sometimes apparent. In addition, as was quite normal, Manton did not actually write down the words that we now have. Instead, people in the audience wrote down his words. At the same time, though, I am confident that the style and wording that we have are Manton’s and not someone else’s.</p>
<p><strong>Why/how did Puritans like Manton know Jewish rabbinical writings so well?</strong><br />
Puritans like Manton had extraordinary educations. Before beginning university, they were already familiar with classical languages and literature. At the university, they continued their study and were introduced to even more opportunities for advanced learning. Manton, who studied at Oxford, had the best education available at his time. He eventually received a Bachelor of Arts, a Bachelor of Divinity, and a Doctor of Divinity.</p>
<p>Also, it’s important to note that Henry VIII had appointed Hebrew professors at both Oxford and Cambridge since the 1540s. The puritans were some of the first Christians in Europe to be able to study Hebrew and rabbinic texts. Some Christians during this time studied with Jewish rabbis to learn Hebrew and rabbinic interpretations, and textual and linguistic interest in Oriental languages flourished in the 1600s. For instance, several Polyglot Bibles, which contained side-by-side translations of the Bible in multiple languages (including Oriental languages like Hebrew and Aramaic), appeared regularly in the 1500-1600s. One of the most learned Orientalists and rabbinical scholars was John Lightfoot, a puritan and contemporary of Thomas Manton. He wrote detailed commentaries on the New Testament from the perspective of (Jewish) rabbinical literature. The auction list from Manton’s library indicates that Manton possessed more than 30 books related to rabbinic or Jewish literature. It’s not uncommon when reading through Manton’s sermons on Old Testament texts for him to make reference to Hebrew words and Jewish interpretations.</p>
<p><em>Thank you, Dr. Cooper. We look forward to your popular introduction to Manton in the near future.</em></p>
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		<title>Westminster Theological Journal 71:2</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Danny Hyde</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last night I received Westminster Theological Journal 71:2 (Fall 2009) in the mail. There are several pieces worth mentioning for the purposes of this blog: The Pneumatology of the &#8220;Lost&#8221; Image in John Owen—Suzanne McDonald A Practical Scholasticism? Edward Leigh&#8217;s Theological Method—James E. Dolezal Samuel Rutherford and Liberty of Conscience—Crawford Gribben Marrow Theology and Secession Church [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night I received <em>Westminster Theological Journal</em> 71:2 (Fall 2009) in the mail. There are several pieces worth mentioning for the purposes of this blog:</p>
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<li>The Pneumatology of the &#8220;Lost&#8221; Image in John Owen—Suzanne McDonald</li>
<li>A Practical Scholasticism? Edward Leigh&#8217;s Theological Method—James E. Dolezal</li>
<li>Samuel Rutherford and Liberty of Conscience—Crawford Gribben</li>
<li>Marrow Theology and Secession Church History—William VanDoodewaard</li>
<li>Review of Stephen Hampton, <em>Anti-Arminian: The Anglican Reformed Tradition from Charles II to George I</em>—Kenneth J. Stewart</li>
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<p>Tolle Lege.</p>
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		<title>Was Calvin a Calvinist? Or, Did Calvin (or Anyone Else in the Early Modern Era) Plant the “TULIP”?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Hyde</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The text of an insightful and important recent lecture by <strong>Dr. Richard Muller</strong> is available <a href="http://www.calvin.edu/meeter/lectures/Richard%20Muller%20-%20Was%20Calvin%20a%20Calvinist.pdf" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Puritan &#8220;Copying&#8221; and &#8220;Pasting&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 04:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Jones</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you read a writer carefully you can pick up on some rather interesting things.  In reading through Goodwin’s corpus I noted that he has his own form of “copying and pasting”.  I’ve provided an example below from his excellent work on Christology, “Of Christ the Mediator” (vol. 5 in the Nichols edition), and a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read a writer carefully you can pick up on some rather interesting things.  In reading through Goodwin’s corpus I noted that he has his own form of “copying and pasting”.  I’ve provided an example below from his excellent work on Christology, “Of Christ the Mediator” (vol. 5 in the Nichols edition), and a sermon on  Hebrews 10:4-7.<span id="more-572"></span></p>
<p>Notice the similarities. First, from “Of Christ the Mediator”:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Now the next thing to be considered is, how this motion takes with Christ&#8217;s heart, which his Father makes, and what he says to it, how he answers it again, and how willingly. And this is as necessary as the former; for besides that it could not be forced on him; for, John v. 26, &#8216;the Father hath given him to have life in himself, and so to have power over his life.&#8217; John X. 18, &#8216;I have power over my life, and none can take it from me.&#8217; Besides that, if it came not of him freely, it had not been satisfactory; for <em>satisfactio est redditio voluntaria</em>, it must be a voluntary payment; and as our disobedience was free, so must his satisfaction be. Though he had at last yielded, yet if he sticks at it we are undone, if he makes but an objection. And is it not infinite love he should not, being he was the party to undergo so much debasement?</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">How did the eldest son’s stomach rise, when but the fat calf was killed for the prodigal? But the eldest, only begotten Son of God, must sacrifice himself for enemies (not the sacrificing of worlds would serve, whereof he could have created enough), and yet not a thought did arise contrary to the Father&#8217;s will. So his own words, in answer to the former call of his Father, do shew, &#8216;Lo, I have come to do thy will, O God,&#8217; Heb. x.7. The Psalmist, from whence the words are borrowed, hath it, &#8216;I delight to do thy will,&#8217; Ps. xl. 8. &#8216;Lo, I come&#8217; (says Christ); I am as ready, as forward, O God, as thou to have me; not willing only, but glad; I delight to do thy will. As the sun rejoiceth to run his race, so the Sun of righteousness to run his, for he was &#8216;anointed with the oil of gladness above his fellows,&#8217; Ps. xlv. 7. He was as glad to do this work as ever he was to eat his meat: John iv. 34, &#8216;Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.&#8217; &#8216;With desire&#8217; (saith he) &#8216;have I desired it&#8217;: Luke xxii. 15, &#8216;And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer.&#8217; He longed as much, and was as much pained, as ever woman with child longed to be delivered, till this work was accomplished. Luke xii. 50, &#8216;But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how am I straitened till it be accomplished.&#8217; <em>Christ the Mediator</em>, <em>Works</em>, 5:24</p>
<p>Alright then, now notice that Goodwin uses essentially the same wording in his sermon upon Heb. X, 4-7 called “The One Sacrifice.” I would also like to point out that the similarities are even more obvious in the 1691-1704 edition of Goodwin&#8217;s <em>Works </em>because the Nichols editors were rather free in their editing. Hence, there are a few differences in these comparisons that are not in the original edition.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Now then, the second thing remains, how the motion takes with Christ, which his Father makes to him, which was as necessary as the former. For besides that, it could not have been forced on him; for John v. 26, the Father hath given him life in himself, and so to have power over his life: John x.18, &#8216;I have power over my life, and none can take it from me.&#8217; I say besides, that if it come not off freely, it had not been satisfactory; <em>satisfactio est redditio voluntaria</em>. Our disobedience was free, so must his satisfaction be, &#8216; a free will offering of himself.&#8217; God stands more upon the will than the deed; as a kindness is spoked in the doing if it be unwillingly done, so would his satisfaction be. This therefore is another difficulty, and but that his Father struck in so, likely to have been greater than the former. Though he had at last yielded. yet if he sticks as it we are undone; if he makes but one objection, we perish. And is it not infinite love that he should not, being the party to undergo such debasement?</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">How did the eldest son&#8217;s stomach rise when but the fatted calf was killed for the prodigal? But he, the eldest, only begotten Son, must sacrifice himself (worlds would not serve, whereof he could have created enough) for enemies. but not a thought arose contrary to his Father&#8217;s will. So his own words in the text shew, &#8216;Lo, I have come to do thy will, O God,&#8217; The Psalm, from whence the words are borrowed, Ps. xl. 8., hath it, &#8216;I delight to do thy will. As the sun rejoiceth to run his race, so the Sun of righteousness to run his, for he was &#8216;anointed with the oil of gladness above his fellows,&#8217; Ps. xlv. 7. As glad as ever he was to eat his meat: John iv. 34, &#8216;With desire have I desired it,&#8217; yea, and longed as much pain as ever woman with child longed to be delivered, Luke xii. 50. <em>Sermon on Heb. X.4-7</em>, <em>Works</em>, 5:497.</p>
<p>There are a number of small differences and omissions/additions. But, generally, the wording is the same, the Latin phrase is the same, and the proof-texts are the same. I wonder how common it was for writers to simply copy from other places in their writings? By the way, in the original <em>Works</em> (1691-1704), Goodwin does not cite his own work.</p>
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		<title>Westminster Assembly Picture Review</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 05:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Rowland Ward</dc:creator>
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<h1><strong>“Assertion of Liberty of Conscience by the Independents in the Westminster Assembly of Divines, 1644.”</strong></h1>
<p><strong>Painted by John Rogers Herbert, RA, <em>ca</em></strong><strong>. 1844.</strong></p>
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<p>This is a well-known picture republished [December 2007] by permission of the Palace of Westminster Collection in a high quality full-colour format measuring 24” x 36” by Rev Andrew Moody of <a href="http://www.reformationart.com/" target="_blank">ReformationArt.com</a>. It comes complete with the key identifying the 67 persons pictured. A colour reproduction made in 1993 for the 350th anniversary of the commencement of the Assembly is of lesser quality.</p>
<p>The story of the picture is little known and is as follows. A Congregational minister, Rev Dr James W. Massie (1799–1869), who had been a missionary in India 1822–39, and was Secretary to the Home Missionary Society of the Congregational Union, suggested the picture and drew the outline.<sup>1</sup> J.R.Herbert (1810–90) was a well regarded painter who had converted to Roman Catholicism about 1840 through the influence of the up-and-coming architect-designer of Gothic revival, A.W.N.Pugin (1812–52). Pugin was involved with the design of the new Palace of Westminster (Houses of Parliament) following the disastrous fire of 1834. From about this time Herbert’s pictures are largely of religious subjects. Perhaps the 200th anniversary of the 1644 event pictured was in Massie’s mind. Certainly the Westminster Assembly picture belongs to about this period, and was exhibited by Massie in connection with his lecture series in various British cities on Liberty of Conscience from at least February 1846. The artist was permitted to view the Jerusalem Chamber by the Dean of Westminster 1842–45, Thomas Turton, and provides a faithful representation<sup>2</sup> of the main meeting place of the Assembly, as he also does with most of the individuals pictured. The picture was issued as an engraved print by Thomas Agnew, Printseller to the Queen and Prince Albert, Exchange Street, Manchester on 16 December 1648. An interesting review appeared in <em>The Baptist Magazine </em>for August 1849.<sup>3</sup></p>
<p>According to <em>The Baptist Magazine</em>,<sup>4 </sup>the printed prospectus of 1848 describes the scene in which Philip Nye, one of the five Independents in a largely Presbyterian Assembly, asserts ‘that, by God’s command, the magistrate is discharged to put the least discourtesy on any man, Turk, Papist, Socinian, or whatsoever, for his religion. They were for union in things necessary, for liberty in things unnecessary, and for charity in all.’ In other words, the claim is made that the Independents affirmed full toleration of all religious groups. The looks of surprise/horror on various faces is intended to reflect reaction to this bold affirmation. Accordingly, the original print under the 1848 title gives a reference to Robert Baillie’s <em>Letters</em> (Vol. 2, p. 146)—“We were all highly offended at him – all cried him downe.”</p>
<p>However, if one looks up the Baillie reference, one finds Nye was opposing the Presbyterian desire for uniformity and therefore he urged toleration of all whose errors were not fundamental, as for instance the difference in church government between the Independents and the Presbyterians. But as to the toleration of those not orthodox in fundamentals, Baillie is a witness that the Independents at the Assembly were of the same mind as the Presbyterians, and opposed those—not members of the Assembly—such as John Goodwin, who favoured toleration of the various religions mentioned.<sup>5</sup></p>
<p>Massie, as the one behind the commissioning of the picture, represented Nye and his fellow Independents as advocates of complete toleration in his lectures,<sup>6</sup> but cites Baillie in a completely inaccurate fashion. The careful Baptist historian, E.B.Underhill, pointed out Massie’s erroneous claim in <em>The Baptist Magazine</em> for October 1847. His critique, slightly extended, was subsequently published.<sup>7</sup></p>
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<p>The picture is an impressive one. There is a certain artistic licence in that men who were not actual members are included, such as Baxter, Owen, Cromwell and Milton.<sup>8 </sup>It might seem strange that this picture of an Assembly dear to Presbyterians should have been conceived by an Independent who claimed too much for his party, be painted by a Roman Catholic convert, and represent that which Presbyterians of the time opposed as inimical to the reformation of the British church. But that’s how it is in God’s providence. But it is a picture capable of providing a useful talking point. I like The Baptist Magazine’s suggested alternative title: “The Westminster Assembly receiving Philip Nye’s development of the tendencies of Presbyterianism.”<sup>9 </sup></p>
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<p><sup> </sup>[This article first appeared in the February 2008 issue of <em>The Presbyterian Banner</em>.]</p>
<p>1 Extract from the <em>Liverpool Albion</em> 21 February 1846 as cited in J.W.Massie, <em>Liberty of Conscience Illustrated. </em>(London: John Snow, 1847) viii.</p>
<p>2 <em>Liberty of Conscience</em>, 138.</p>
<p>3 <em>The Baptist Magazine for 1849 </em>(London: Houlston &amp; Stoner, 1849) 494-498.</p>
<p>4 Page 495.</p>
<p>5 Baillie, Vol 2, 145-146;  note also Vol 2, 122.</p>
<p>6 <em>Liberty of Conscience</em>, 112.</p>
<p>7 <em>The Independents not the first assertors of the principle of full liberty of conscience: with especial reference to the views of the five dissenting brethren in the Westminster Assembly of Divines</em> (1849) 18pp.</p>
<p>8 See the justification for the presence of these spectators in <em>Liberty of Conscience</em>, 98-99.</p>
<p>9 P. 498.</p></div>
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		<title>Re-thinking Calvin and the &#8220;Calvinists&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 05:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Jones</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Assessing Calvin’s relationship to the so-called “Calvinists” is not easy to determine.  Methodological, historical, and theological matters need to be appreciated and understood if we are to move forward in this much-vexed debate. This may surprise some, but it needs to be said that for the most part Calvin’s theology was not original.  At least, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assessing Calvin’s relationship to the so-called “Calvinists” is not easy to determine.  Methodological, historical, and theological matters need to be appreciated and understood if we are to move forward in this much-vexed debate.</p>
<p>This may surprise some, but it needs to be said that for the most part Calvin’s theology was not original.  At least, he did not wish to view himself that way.  On some doctrines he did make unique contributions, namely, the Son’s aseity and Christ’s “descent” into Hell. Interestingly, both of these contributions produced a firestorm of debate among his successors in the 16<sup>th</sup> and 17<sup>th</sup> centuries, particularly at the Westminster Assembly.<span id="more-330"></span></p>
<p>The Protestant scholastic, Johannes Maccovius, used more careful scholastic language to speak about the Son as <em>autotheos</em> than Calvin.  Not only, then, did Roman Catholics take serious issue with Calvin on the Son’s aseity, but even Reformed theologians.  Of course, Maccovius preserved Calvin’s teaching, but he used language that would overcome the objections of those who denied Calvin’s position.</p>
<p>The “Calvin versus the Calvinists” debate has received a lot of attention in recent historiography.  Several scholars have recently argued that one of the problems concerning the “Calvin against the Calvinists” thesis was the error of making Calvin the norm for reading the later Reformed tradition.  This methodology had disastrous consequences for the conclusions of scholars like Alan Clifford and R.T. Kendall.</p>
<p>We might even argue that the response to Clifford and Kendall was wrong-headed.  The answer was not to posit a “Calvin for the Calvinists”.  In fact, not even a “Calvin for and against the Calvinists”.  The truth is that scholarship has given Calvin a prominence that almost reduces men like Vermigli to the status of Calvin’s inferior.  That was just not the case.</p>
<p>In connection with this, the Dutch theologian, Gisbertus Voetius, disliked the term “Calvinist”.  He preferred the term “Reformed Catholic.”  The same could be said for William Perkins.  From what I am told, Jonathan Edwards only used the term grudgingly.</p>
<p>An interesting way of rectifying the sorts of problems that I’ve highlighted would be to discuss the issue of how variegated Reformed orthodoxy was in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries.  What their differences were remains as important as what their commonalities were.</p>
<p>Besides jettisoning the term “Calvinism”, I believe we should do-away with notion of making the “five points” synonymous with Calvinism or Reformed theology.  As Richard Muller has argued: “<a href="http://kimriddlebarger.squarespace.com/how-many-points/">How Many Points</a>?”</p>
<p>Related to this, many think one can only be a Calvinist if they hold to the “five points of Calvinism”.  However, Reformed theology was more complex than the “five points” suggest.  As several scholars have noted, the Hypothetical Universalists – e.g. the brilliant, John Preston – represented a trajectory <em>within</em> Reformed orthodoxy.  The real question about the atonement has to do with its nature.  As you know, the Arminians ended up changing the nature of the atonement so that it was consistent with their views of its extent.  Substitution was jettisoned in favor of versions of the Grotian theory (or versions of what we call the governmental theory).</p>
<p>Today we simply make it a question of “limited atonement” versus “unlimited atonement”.  This is a stupid (and annoying) way of formulating the debate.  First, what was the precise nature of the atonement? How does the atonement relate to God’s decree or the <em>pactum salutis</em>.  What about the inseparable relation of the Spirit to the death of Christ?</p>
<p>Finally, as an example of theological development and terminological change, we might look at the doctrine of regeneration.  Calvin had a broader understanding of the term than later Reformed theologians.  The narrowing of the term took place in reaction to the claims of Arminius and his followers; hence, we see in the Canons of Dordt a particular emphasis on the “one-time” monergistic work of the Spirit in order to combat the Arminians who were happy with much of Calvin’s language, but not happy with the irresistibility of the Spirit which had been a hallmark of Reformed orthodoxy.</p>
<p>Calvin certainly understood the idea to signify more than an aspect of the <em>ordo salutis</em>.  For him, it incorporated many aspects of the whole Christian life (<em>Institutes</em>, III.3.9).  Hodge remarked that “Calvin gives the term its widest scope” (<em>Systematic Theology</em>, 3.3).  That is not to say, of course, that Calvin denies the doctrine as it has been typically understood, that is, as an instantaneous “bringing to life from the dead”.  For example, Calvin writes:  “[The Spirit] regenerates us and makes us to be new creatures” (<em>Institutes</em>, II.2.27).  But he was not content with such a narrow view of the doctrine.  Regeneration is akin to sanctification insofar as “it is a renewal of the divine image in us” (Ibid, III.17.5).  Importantly, though he understands regeneration to encompass sanctification, “God only regenerates the elect with incorruptible seed forever” (Ibid, II.13.2).</p>
<p>There is also a good deal of evidence that the early English Puritans (I’m using this term very loosely) had a very elastic view of regeneration.  Perkins, for example, understood John 3:5 to incorporate sanctification (<em>Foundation of Christian Religion</em>, 278).</p>
<p>The narrowing of the term was a result of the theological controversies that led up to the Synod of Dordt in the early seventeenth century.  The Arminians used Reformed language in describing their views, but they denied explicitly the irresistibility of the Spirit’s work; rather, it was “a gentle advising”.  They were happy with Calvin’s language regarding regeneration as it pertained to the Christian life, but they were not happy with the Reformed view of “irresistibility”.</p>
<p>Maccovius was responsible for restricting the term regeneration, which had hitherto been more elastic in meaning, in order to uphold a monergistic view of the Spirit’s working (see Kuyper, <em>The Work of the Holy Spirit</em>, 293).  From this point on, the Reformed doctrine of regeneration was, in a sense, distinguished from sanctification while at the same time it was understood that one necessarily led to the other.</p>
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		<title>But who were the &#8220;Puritans&#8221;?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Jones</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who were the Puritans?  Since you are &#8220;meeting&#8221; them it would be remiss if I &#8211; and I do not wish to implicate my fellow contributors in this contention -  did not at least give a definition of who the Puritans were.  Now, one of the problems in defining a &#8220;Puritan&#8221; has to do with [...]]]></description>
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<p>Who were the Puritans?  Since you are &#8220;meeting&#8221; them it would be remiss if I &#8211; and I do not wish to implicate my fellow contributors in this contention -  did not at least give a definition of who the Puritans were.  Now, one of the problems in defining a &#8220;Puritan&#8221; has to do with the &#8220;canon&#8221; that the Banner of Truth Trust set up, a canon that included the solidly Reformed men and a few others like Richard Baxter &#8211; but, note, only Baxter&#8217;s &#8220;practical works&#8221;.  Of course, has anyone ever raised the question as to whether Baxter&#8217;s neonomianism may have (negatively?) impacted his practical stuff?</p>
<p>So, was Jonathan Edwards a Puritan? Was Spurgeon or Lloyd-Jones?  I don&#8217;t think so; in fact, once we open the canon up to these men we run the risk of making the term meaningless.<span id="more-292"></span></p>
<p>I think Carl Trueman is right to suggest that to use the term “Puritan” to describe one’s theology is as problematic as it is helpful. Puritan theology was far from monolithic, especially when scholars of Puritanism suggest that even though radical Puritans – but Puritans nonetheless – rejected orthodox Reformed ideas about the moral law or predestination or infant baptism they still defined themselves in relation to the Reformed tradition. In other words, we simply cannot make “Puritanism” synonymous with Reformed theology.</p>
<p>Puritanism was far too diverse to be of any strict theological use. Certainly the majority was Reformed or Calvinistic, but when Richard Baxter, who defies classification, John Goodwin, an Arminian, John Milton, a possible Arian, John Bunyan, a Baptist, and John Eaton, an Antinomian, are included, there is good reason to be cautious when using the term to describe a theological tradition.</p>
<p>Moreover, the transition from Puritanism to Dissent typically comes around 1689 with the Act of Toleration. That is to say, Puritanism has special reference to religio-political issues in the seventeenth century, and all that that entails (Charles’ death, Act of Uniformity, etc.). After 1689 we normally talk about Protestant Nonconformity.</p>
<p>Many scholars argue that “Puritans” are those who attempted to reform the Church of England along godly lines. Some were Presbyterians; others were Congregationalists. Some were Reformed; others were Arminian (there are many more examples than John Goodwin). Many were Antinomians, but they were vigorously opposed at the Westminster Assembly. In fact, the threat of Antinomianism may have been the single largest concern of the Westminster divines, more so than Popery! The Antinomians were no more welcome at the Assembly than the papists; yet, the Antinomians were self-designated “Puritans”; they just had different ideas about what the Church of England should look like in its theological make-up. And, of course, there were varieties of Antinomianism.</p>
<p>As John Coffey has argued: Baxter was very much a moderate Puritan though he was theologically innovative; other moderate Puritan divines were often deeply committed to conserving strict Reformed orthodoxy. Cromwell and Milton had much stronger radical sympathies. When people say that they “love the Puritans”, one always has to ask “which Puritans”? The point is that different sections of the contemporary church scene can lay claim to competing strands within Puritanism (though in practice conservative Reformed Christians are almost alone in showing much interest in the Puritans).</p>
<p>Furthermore, I find it interesting that the Quakers arose from within Puritanism, as did the Levellers.</p>
<p>So, was Spurgeon a Puritan? No, I don’t think so.  It’s not that I dislike Spurgeon; rather, he simply cannot be a Puritan.  He lived in the wrong Century.  I would also suggest, perhaps to the ire of some, that Jonathan Edwards was not a Puritan for largely the same reasons that Spurgeon was not.  Edwards may have loved many of the Puritans, as I do.  But that does not make him one, just as it does not make me one or my wife one.</p>
<p>Thomas Goodwin, however, was a Puritan.  He sought to reform the Church of England from the corruptions of popery and Arminianism.  Goodwin ended up losing the battle, of course.  1662 was a massive psychological blow to him and his fellow Puritans.  The millennial glory that Goodwin had hoped for in the 1630s was looking decidedly different post 1660!</p>
<p>If we do not restrict Puritanism to the 17thC, then I’m afraid the term loses its meaning.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m fairly confident that this blog will focus much of its attention on the &#8220;good ones&#8221;, and so we&#8217;re not all that different from the Banner of Truth.  But, at least you know that we&#8217;re aware of the term&#8217;s historical context!  And, of course, we&#8217;re sympathetic to Puritanism because we, like our 17thC forefathers, feel that the church needs further reform.</p></div>
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